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REAR ENTRIES: Ch-ch-changes

December 07, 2012 at 12:29pm by Scott   •  16 Comments »


NO MORE KICKOFFS?: This isn’t specifically Bucs-related, but it’s important enough that it warrants a little discussion. Roger Goodell discussed the possibility of eliminating kickoffs from the game, replacing them with a fourth-and-15 at its own 30-yard line for the team that just scored. Then any standard play could be run, most times the team choosing to punt. But a team needing another score fast doesn’t have to worry about an onside kick, they just need to convert the fourth down.

The idea is to remove the risk associated with kickoffs and replace them with more risks associated with punts, but the difference between kickoff returns and punt returns is apparently pretty big. All of a sudden, punt returners are at more of a premium (along with, perhaps, dedicated gunners) and kickoff return specialists are eliminated. Greg Schiano gave the idea to Goodell and it already looks like it will be a topic of discussion at the next Competition Committee meeting.

Since the kickoff line moved up five yards, most of them are touchbacks anyway. I haven’t fully thought this one out, but I’m not opposed to it as yet. Your opinions in the comments.

ROOKIE WALL: Doug Martin insists that just because his production has been down for the last two weeks, he has still not hit any rookie wall.

“That stuff about the rookie wall, I don’t feel that at all,” Martin said this week as he prepared for Sunday’s game against the Philadelphia Eagles at Raymond James Stadium. “My body feels great and my mind is clear.”

Greg Schiano said he wanted to be a running team, and Martin made spectacular run after spectacular run on national TV and took the football world by surprise. No one expected a rookie to perform like he did. So now teams are concentrating on stopping him. Add that to worse offensive line play over the last couple weeks and you have lower running back production. This isn’t hard to figure out.

SIGN FREEMAN NOW: While I’m not necessarily as emphatic about it as he is, I agree with just about everything Tom Jones says here. Now if you’ll excuse me, I need to drink some bleach.

16 Comments to “REAR ENTRIES: Ch-ch-changes”


cubsandbucsfan (December 07, 2012 at 12:55pm:

I like it. If the league is going to be honest about the brain damage inflicted on these guys, then starting with the most obvious play in the game is a good a place as any. The difference on a punt verses a kick off is probably in that often times the returner is not going full speed upon contact in a punt return. There are vicious hits for sure, but the numbers obviously prove that the punt return is a safer play.

I’m in.

J. Martin

J. Martin (December 07, 2012 at 01:35pm:

This is an interesting proposal. As far as player safety on punt returns goes, the NFL could simply create a bigger halo around the returner. In the CFL the returner must be given five of space until he makes contact with the ball. In the NFL it’s a two yard halo, right? Even bumping it up to three yards and then actually calling penalties on players who encroach that space would make a big difference in player safety.


JV (December 07, 2012 at 02:35pm:

I am usually a traditionalist but I like the proposal. Kick offs for the most part are boring now anyway. Even those with big returns have a high probability of being called back because there was usually an illegal block involved to free the returner. I am not sure on the stats, but I would imagine converting the 4th and forever has about the same probability of converting an onside kick(in obvious situations when the return team knows it is coming) but it would be more exciting to see the innovative plays teams use to attempt it.

It seems Schiano’s experience with LeGrand gives him a stong voice at the table.

Mark S

Mark S (December 07, 2012 at 02:38pm:

It would be a huge change. One thing it does is put a premium on the passing game. I don’t think anyone is going to try and run for 15 yards. So, if you do not have a premium passing game you are at a definite disadvantage. Another thing it might do is allow a team that has a big lead to gamble on putting the game away. Oh and how big a premium is there on fake punts? A lot more strategy and tactics than just a kickoff. Ok, guess I like that.

worker b

worker b (December 07, 2012 at 03:07pm:

Schiano’s proposal is television ratings friendly, as it will likely keep teams in some games longer and adds a little more strategy intrigue.


manbearpig (December 07, 2012 at 07:11pm:

At first I hated the idea. But the more I think about it. The traditional kickoff has been gone since they moved it in yardage. Touch back after touch back is not exactly exciting.


manbearpig (December 07, 2012 at 07:14pm:

Oh and thanks for the link on the previous post. Why do athletes reach the ultimate prize and then blast people who helped get them there. I don’t know Monte personally (he might be a putz like his son) but the guy is a legend in Bucs history. Show some respect Warren!


Louie (December 09, 2012 at 05:27pm:

Game, set, match — SEASON OVER. “Play for pride” from here on out.


manbearpig (December 09, 2012 at 05:31pm:

That is fucking embarrassing. I put this totally on the coaches. Had the ball 3rd and 6 I think it was and they run for one yard. Punt. And they march down the field. Horseshit


ammo10 (December 09, 2012 at 05:32pm:

I agree 100% Louie, the season is over. How do you lose to the Eagles? By having quite possibly the worst secondary in the history of the NFL. Minus Barber that is.


HAGEN205 (December 09, 2012 at 06:09pm:

i totally agree with you man bear pig 3 and 6 with our wrs is a must pass in that sitiation

worker b

worker b (December 09, 2012 at 10:58pm:

But Martin had already run the ball something like 10 times in a row. The Eagles couldn’t have been expecting it again.


campyone (December 10, 2012 at 10:13am:

Use all our draft picks next year on DBs. Then sign all the free agent DBs. Then trade some players for some more DBs. Then hold a tryout camp for anyone who’s played DB in high school or college. That should net us about 30DBs going into training camp. Out of that number we should be able to find five that can play.


BaldBuc4055 (December 10, 2012 at 05:19pm:

I’m still in a state of shock over that loss yesterday. No excuses for that loss. When you have an inferior team at home, and you don’t put them away when you have the chance, you deserve to lose. When you coach “not to lose”, you’re going to lose. Defensive backs, particularly corners, should be our main priority in the draft and free agency. Our playoff chances took a huge hit with that loss.


BaldBuc4055 (December 10, 2012 at 05:24pm:

By the way, is there anybody here that went to the game? I was curious about the crowd split. It didn’t look like the place was invaded by Eagles fans, but they were very vocal.


jampersands (December 10, 2012 at 10:07pm:

Eagles will probably cut Namdi Asomogha as they completely overhaul the team next year. He hasn’t been worth the contract they originally gave him, but I’d hope the Bucs are seriously considering throwing a contract his way if he becomes available.

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