Josh Freeman

And The Preseason Bashing Starts

August 16, 2013 at 01:44am by Scott   •  30 Comments »

Go ahead and call these fans disinterested to their faces.
According to, the Bucs should move out of Tampa. Where to? The author, Jason Notte, doesn’t say because he’s just getting his word count up at this point in the article and it’s much easier to just bash Tampa than offer anything useful.

The team blacked out six out of eight home games last season and 25 out of the past 29 overall. Management accepted the new blackout threshold and tweaked ticket prices.

This is true, but a two year sales slump does not justify picking up the team and moving. The games don’t sell out because the team has been losing. It really is that simple. When the Bucs start winning consistently, the fans will show up again.

Never mind that the team’s $69.72 average ticket price is still the costliest in Florida despite being $10 below the league average, according to Team Marketing Report’s Fan Cost Index.

First, if you’re going to start out a sentence with “never mind”, you shouldn’t bother putting numbers in it. But since he took the time, he says the Bucs’ average ticket is the costliest in Florida. But according to Team Marketing Report’s Fan Cost Index (the same publication he cited), The Dolphins have a ticket price of $71.14, which, if I remember my Diff Eq class, is more than the Bucs. But he’s right about the Bucs being $10 below the NFL average ticket price. In fact, they’re in the bottom 25% of the league. Any NFL game is an expensive date, but if you’re going to go, the Bucs are a relative bargain. The Glazers can’t make the tickets much cheaper — the team just has to start winnning.

By comparison, Seattle Seahawks fans in a far more economically stable city paid $2 less to see their team play each Sunday last year.

Why he picks Seattle I have no idea. He doesn’t bother to explain. I’ll pick the Jets, who have a $118 average ticket price and a joke of a team, to compare the Bucs to. What a deal!

Seriously, I stared at the article for five minutes wondering what made Seattle special enough to single out. I’d gladly pay a $2 premium to be able to see a team in a city where I don’t constantly want to cut myself.

The Seahawks made the playoffs, while the Bucs didn’t even make their local affiliate’s broadcast most of the time.

Eat me.

So where would the Bucs go? Ask the Glazer family of owners, who punted Bucs home games to London in 2009 and 2011 because they were more profitable than playing them in Tampa. The Glazers are a bit preoccupied by England, what with owning one of its more storied Premier League franchises in Manchester United, so the NFL to them is a bit like their “football” is to the average Bucs fan — an afterthought at best.

And his backup for this assessment is… squat! No quotes, no stories of homes being built in London or the Glazers never showing up in Tampa and being absentee owners. Because none of that stuff is true. If the Glazers want to own a dozen sports teams, let them. It’s their money. All I care about is if the Bucs are being managed properly and I believe from an ownership standpoint they are. And they’ve got a solid GM in charge to take care of the football decisions, so I’m not sure what else they can do. I’m still reserving judgment on the coach, but that’s a discussion for a different day.

You have an ownership too rich and preoccupied with international wins to care and you have a local fan base too rattled by the recession and put off by years of mediocrity to make an investment.

The recession hit Tampa pretty hard, but things are starting to trend upward. Is there some magic city in the country where the populous is so flush with cash that they need an NFL to take some of it off their hands? Google doesn’t have city-by-city stats, but going by state, Florida is doing better than California in unemployment rate. And let’s face it, Los Angeles is the only city any NFL team would consider moving to at this point. I’m still looking for the logic as to why he thinks Tampa is so bad.

And the crack about the Glazers being too preoccupied with international wins is just a restatement of his previous point, which is just as wrong now as it was then.

The result is a halfhearted attempt to field a competitive NFL team and a half-interested fan base almost hoping this week’s Bucs game doesn’t sell out so Fox can show the far superior NFC game of the week instead.

He’s painting Tampa as disinterested in the Bucs, which is simply untrue. Has he ever been to Tampa? The fans are actually hoping the game does sell out so they don’t have to shell out the money to see the team in person because they are afraid they’re going to pay to see the team lose. For the last time, WINNING CURES ALL.

NFL owners don’t usually put up with this kind of brazen apathy, but the Glazers would have to stay in Tampa long enough to notice. If the Glazers are trying to create enough institutional disinterest to move the team to London without generating so much as a belabored sigh, they’re doing a brilliant job.

Oh this guy sucks. Like, a lot. Of course, he’s the same guy who tried to talk you into drinking chocolate beer on Valentine’s Day, so please measure your respect accordingly.

30 Comments to “And The Preseason Bashing Starts”


Aesir_B (August 16, 2013 at 08:49am:

His writing has appeared in … queue impressive list of publications.. but the guy can’t get the one researched source he uses right. Secondly, this article has already been corrected after initially stating that Steven Jackson would still be with the Rams this season. Dick.


TnBuc (August 16, 2013 at 10:10am:

Not to mention all of the charitable work the Glazers do in the community. If they did not care, why invest? Poor article to take up space in some rag… is this guy related to Fennelly? I agree, it comes down to wins… even Univ of Tenn is not selling out due to the mess Hamilton made of the program. By the way, nice to have the “snark” back!

Mark S

Mark S (August 16, 2013 at 10:41am:

It is a lousy article and not only because of errors of commission. The best argument for moving the Bucs is the Rays. The Tampa Bay Rays have one of the best records in MLB over the last few years. They have won playoff games. They have made the playoffs multiple times as either a division winner or as a wild card. Currently they are two games out of first place. Yet they are always at the bottom for attendance and ticket revenue. The two situations are not exactly the same because the Rays are in St. Petersuburg, the other side of Tampa Bay. Also, they are in an old and outdated stadium. But, it does indicate that Tampa Bay fans are unwilling to pay to see even a winning team. I hope that is not true for the Bucs. But whatever, I live in Raleigh so I don’t really have a horse in this race anyways.


manbearpig (August 16, 2013 at 08:43pm:

Offensive line and defensive line of the bucs are garbage tonight.


TnBuc (August 16, 2013 at 08:58pm:

Agreed! Offensive line sucks, d-line has no pressure. Ogletree was cut by the cowgirls for a reason… Of course, Freeman has to learn how to get rid of the ball. Not impressed with anyone except that kickoff return.

Matt Price

Matt Price (August 16, 2013 at 10:02pm:

I’m watching the Bucs/Pats game and while I like Freeman, I have to say that I see no difference whatsoever between Freeman and Glennon. That either speaks really well for Glennon or really poorly for Freeman. Not sure which yet.

Mark S

Mark S (August 17, 2013 at 08:43am:

By this time we should be seeing good execution, precision and timing. Instead, the Bucs need a dictionary to find those concepts.


campyone (August 17, 2013 at 09:43am:

After watching the Bucs-NE game the article doesn’t look so bad after all. Both lines stunk, Freeman was ineffective(admittedly with little protection but by now he should know how to get rid of the ball, roll out, avoid sacks), Ogletree couldn’t catch passes that hit him in the hands, etc. etc. I know it’s preseason but it was preseason for NE too and they were playing a different game than the Bucs.


BaldBuc4055 (August 17, 2013 at 01:51pm:

I’m not ready to banish Freeman to the bench and put Glennon out there as the starter just yet. I know that Freeman struggled when he was in there, but he didn’t see a lot of action, while Glennon saw a lot of action against second-stringers.

And while Glennon is accurate and has a great arm, he’s still a rookie that’s going to make bad decisions. While the TD’s have been there, the INT’s he’s thrown in the first two preseason games have been awful. They have to stick with Freeman as the starter, but if he wets the bed against starters in regular season games for an extended stretch, then I say you pull the plug and begin the Mike Glennon era. But until that happens, there’s no need to throw a rookie QB out there when he hasn’t seen game action against starters in the NFL.

Matt Price

Matt Price (August 17, 2013 at 04:02pm:

BaldBuc, I agree. I’m not ready to bench Freeman, but I am depressed that he doesn’t show better ability. When I watch Brady, he looks sharp and smart and makes great decisions… ditto on the other top tier QBs in the league. They look sharp, even if they look a little rusty at this point.

Then in steps Mallet and you see a huge drop off, which shows you how far the difference is between great and just ok.

Freeman looks like Mallet. He should be looking a lot like Brady after four years, but he just doesn’t.

I don’t think Glennon is better, not yet, but he’s not that far behind either. So I think Freeman gets the nod, but if he doesn’t show dramatic improvement, then I think it’s time to move on.

Mark S

Mark S (August 18, 2013 at 07:35am:

The poor play far exceeds Freeman. He was, given the support, one of the better players on the field. The poor play is coming from almost every position. If anyone deserves to be questioned it is Schiano himself.


avanderlay (August 18, 2013 at 11:12am:

agreed, that one good return in the first quarter was the only inspired play of the game. No one else looked like they were giving it any effort. It’s a cliche, but the trenches are where it’s won and lost, and the Bucs’ lines looked awful on both sides of the ball. We were supposed to be watching Bowers break out – well he couldn’t do anything against the Pats second teamers – depressing. It’s just preseason, and we faced two greatly coached teams, but I don’t remember a worse start in a long time. If the first team offense can’t move the ball against the Dolphins on Saturday, I’ll be close to panicking already…


avanderlay (August 18, 2013 at 11:16am:

P.S. I also blame the poor outing squarely on Fox – the Bucs ALWAYS look awful when Kenny Albert & Daryl Johnston are in the booth and the Goose gets to sit on his couch on the sideline and gloat. Sweet mercy, I loathe that broadcast team.

J. Martin

J. Martin (August 20, 2013 at 12:47am:

Quarterbacks develop late, with a few rare exceptions (Peyton Manning). Freeman is fine.

Brees wasn’t great til his 6th year and now he’s been in the league for 12 years. That’s a huge experience disparity. Brady didn’t exceed 4000 yds til his 6th season, only floating around a 60% completion rate for years 4 & 5–13 yr vet. Rodgers took off in his 4th year after being groomed out of the media spotlight for 3 years behind a great QB — 8 year vet now. Eli Manning got better (I hesitate to say good!) in years 5 & 6 — 9 yr vet. Flacco is still awaiting a “great” individual season, though obviously he led his team well last year. Matt Ryan had his best year in his 5th year last season.

With rare exceptions, QBs develop late. Give the guy some time. He just had his best statistical season last year! I know the inconsistency is rough but it will get better. And if it doesn’t in 2-3 years then it’s time to bring in someone like Glennon, who will have had time to develop out of the spotlight.


TnBuc (August 21, 2013 at 08:06pm:

As a lifelong Buc fan, I have the right to bash the qb. You don’t so shut up Francis Tarkencan’t! I thought Tom Brady was the only qb to suffer from a sprained vagina. Now you are the 2nd known case. Maybe the NFL should study that. Let’s win bucs!


jampersands (August 21, 2013 at 08:39pm:

Simply put, I’m a lot more worried about Carl Nicks’s toe than I am about Josh Freeman.


Aesir_B (August 22, 2013 at 05:25pm:

I’m worried that we have several positions: O-line, CB, Tight end, Full back, (K), where we’ve been pretty much improvising all through training camp.

We’re putting a square peg into a round hole at Full back and TE due to these injuries. They’re going to be signing people cut from other rosters for starting positions essentially. At other positions our projected starter haven’t been on the field with their teammates. Yeah Revis and Nicks are supposed to be the cream of the crop, but they wont have lined up to their teammates even once come W1. Takes a little while to gel as a unit.

Oh and our D-line will suck. This is gonna be McFarland over Sapp all over again (Bowers over Bennet). So yeah I’m with jampersands. Freeman is the last thing on my mind.


Louie (August 24, 2013 at 10:42pm:

Well…. at least the Bucs won.


manbearpig (August 24, 2013 at 10:52pm:

Trevor who?


campyone (August 25, 2013 at 07:14pm:

This is not how you sell season tickets.


avanderlay (August 30, 2013 at 06:58pm:

maybe my long-term memory is shot, but I can’t remember a preseason in which the Bucs looked less competitive or inspired then the last 4 “games.” On a more upbeat note, at least my expectations have been drastically lowered – a good setup for being pleasantly surprised once or twice?

Mark S

Mark S (September 03, 2013 at 07:18pm:

I was surprised by the cut of Najee Goode. I thought he played well and that we would keep 6 LBs. Instead we kept 6 DEs. Nothing says you don’t know who can play DE like keeping 6 of them. One or more of those guys will be going soon.


Aesir_B (September 04, 2013 at 12:50pm:

And another one bites the dust. CB Danny Gorrer on IR.


Louie (September 05, 2013 at 04:53pm:

Hmmmmm… Freeman NOT voted a team captain this season. Man, I really hope this season isn’t going to suck.


Aesir_B (September 08, 2013 at 05:01pm:

I have no words… Being a Bucs fan sucks sometimes. only consolation is Ive been expecting us to lose this for weeks.


KingBuc34 (September 08, 2013 at 09:44pm:

@ Aesir_B, being a buc fan sucks all the time.. Every season its the same bullshit,nothing ever changes. Strait up, THE YUCS..

Mark S

Mark S (September 09, 2013 at 03:43pm:

If we start 0-4, I want to see a major shake up in the coaching staff. Schiamo may survive. He is most closely associated with the defense and they played pretty well yesterday. If the offense continues to look this bad, especially the play of the OL, the Sullivan has to go. We have been told we have all this talent. Either they are lying or they aren’t coaching it up.


manbearpig (September 09, 2013 at 06:53pm:

I’m glad I was 75 miles offshore working yesterday and didn’t have to witness that loss. Sooooo bad.


avanderlay (September 09, 2013 at 06:59pm:

At least they can’t lose to a WORSE team than the Jets next week!


Louie (September 10, 2013 at 08:25pm:

It’s taken me two days to calm down after seeing the Bucs lose to a much inferior team.

I didn’t think it could be worse than that, but at least they didn’t have 3 turnovers on their first 3 drives like the Giants. And, they didn’t get throttled like the defending SB champs. Even the Patriots needed a last second field goal to beat Buffalo.

Having said that, they REALLY need to beat the Saints and Cardinals before their bye. You absolutely have to win your division and conference games.

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