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Round 3: Mike Glennon

April 30, 2013 at 12:50am by Scott   •  10 Comments »


With their third round pick, the Bucs took quarterback Mike Glennon out of NC State. I knew Mike from his season opener against Tennessee in 2012 (which the Volunteers won, by the way (although they didn’t win many more after that)) and thought he had a great arm but poor accuracy and limited pocket presence. He’s a good leader and is clean off the field, but I honestly didn’t think this was a good value for this pick for what he brings to the table. I’ve heard the comparisons to Joe Flacco and I guess I see the height and arm strength (Flacco still has the better arm) similarities, but Flacco was always more accurate. Glennon reminds me more of Derek Anderson, which makes him a solid backup, but no threat to Josh Freeman.

John Jenkins (Georgia) was still on the board and could have been a good NT to replace Roy Miller. Dallas Thomas (Tennessee) was also available and would have provided solid competition at RT. If the Bucs wanted to improve on Dan Orlovsky, Glennon may eventually be that guy. But I wouldn’t trust a game to him in 2013.

As long as I’m talking about quarterbacks, let me answer the “Why didn’t Tyler Bray get drafted?” question. It definitely surprised me. I thought he had a fifth-round value but that some team would overdraft him because teams overdraft quarterbacks every year. Not this year. They saw that the crop of quarterbacks was subpar and they stuck to their boards. Good for them, but tough for the kid who declared for the draft knowing that teams always pay a premium for a big arm. But Bray is a known jackass. Nothing terrible — mostly college prank stuff — but he doesn’t handle adversity on the field well, either, and that’s the dealbreaker. So the guy who probably had the best arm in the draft went unselected and was signed as an undrafted free agent by the Chiefs. He should have stayed in school. Everyone knew it, except apparently him and his agent.

Vols At The Combine

February 26, 2013 at 12:05am by Scott   •  5 Comments »

Big arm, bigger douche.
Since the combine is going on and I was asked about it (once, but I don’t need much of a window), here is the breakdown of the Tennessee Volunteers in the combine. This article is for a very small audience, so if you don’t care about Tennessee, go back to whatever it is you were doing. I’m sure it was incredibly important.

QB Tyler Bray: Bucky Brooks has as good a description of Bray at as anyone. He’s got the strongest arm in the this year’s draft (which is saying very little considering the awful QB class this year) and when he’s on, he can launch missiles into very tight windows, a la Brett Favre. And just like Favre, he thinks his arm can bail him out of any situation, so he throws balls that he should dump off or pull down and run with (which he is not good at). He threw 34 TDs and 12 INTs in 2012, which sounds great, but keep in mind that a lot of those touchdowns were against powerhouses like Georgia State, Troy and Akron. Bray’s TD/INT ratio will not look anything like it did in Tennessee until he can be a better decision maker. Plus he’s kind of a jackass. Value to Bucs: 5th round. He won’t be there.

WR Cordarrelle Patterson: Patterson is consistently listed at the top wide receiver in the draft. He’s got great measurables (6-2, 216, 4.42) and fantastic hands (rawr!) and consistently gets separation even from top-ranked corners. He moves through traffic easily and has great vision. Oh, and he would instantly solve the Bucs’ return problems. The only knock you might see against him is that he doesn’t get good jams on corners when he lines up on the line. It’s like he doesn’t want to make contact on the line, although he isn’t afraid to catch the ball in traffic. He’d prefer to fake you out. But that’s it. He’d be a great addition to the Bucs, but he’s going in the first round and the Bucs have many MANY other needs than wide receiver. Value to Bucs: 2nd round.

WR Justin Hunter: Hunter was the best receiver on the Vols until Patterson showed up. He’s got great height (6-5) and speed for that height (4.44). His best attribute is his leaping ability. He’s one of those guys you can just throw the ball up and let him go up and get it. But he has inconsistent hands drops some very catchable balls which is INFURIATING when it costs your team the game. Not that I’m bitter. He worked really hard to come back after an ACL tear, so I know he’s not a slacker, but he needs good coaching to work on his hands and being more of a willing blocker. He has all the physical tools, though. Value to Bucs: 3rd round.

TE Mychal Rivera: Rivera is a decent tight end who every now and then shows flashes of great athleticism to twist his body to catch a ball. His best assets are his hands, which are very reliable. And he’s a good blocker against lesser teams but can get overpowered against top tier SEC talent like Alabama, so you know he’s gonna get crushed in the NFL unless he can get stronger. The Bucs took a Tennessee tight end a couple years ago and that didn’t work out so hot yet. Rivera is a work-hard, meat and potatoes guy with excellent intangibles, but I don’t see him making a lot of noise in the NFL. Value to Bucs: 7th round.

OT Dallas Thomas: The offensive line was really the strength of the Vols last season and Thomas was a big reason for it. He’s got good punch and is a very smart player, able to counter defensive line moves and games. He never gives up on a block and can get nasty. He’s 6-5, 306 but has great agility, although he could probably stand to get stronger so he doesn’t get overpowered by the better bullrushers in the NFL. He has been successful against top SEC talent and, while I don’t think he’s ready to start out of the gate, I think would be a solid starter at right tackle in a year or so. The Bucs need a right tackle and I think Thomas has the best chance of being selected by them out of all the Vols. Value to Bucs: 2nd round.

To answer the question about any Vol defenders in the combine, no, there aren’t any. The only one who is even trying to get drafted is Darrington Sentimore, a defensive end who has made his share of plays for Tennessee, but will not be a player in the NFL.

Mid-Round Draftable Quarterbacks

January 09, 2013 at 12:58am by Scott   •  7 Comments »

He can sling the ball a long way, but the throwing motion makes Byron Leftwich cringe.
I’ll do a proper post on all draftable quarterbacks in the coming weeks, but for now Roy Cummings lists a few that he thinks have potential to be Josh Freeman‘s competition in 2013 that could be had on the second or third days. I’ve already explained the reasons why this is bogus competition, but since he went to all the trouble of writing it, let’s just pretend there’s a real possibility that some mid-round rookie could oust Freeman.

As the draft is being projected now, there is a chance experienced prospects from big-time programs such as Landry Jones of Oklahoma and E.J. Manuel of Florida State could be available.

Enticing prospects such as Zac Dysert (Miami of Ohio) or Colin Klein (Kansas State) should be there for the taking in the middle rounds, as well. And if juniors Tyler Bray (Tennessee), Aaron Murray (Plant High and Georgia) and Keith Price (Washington) opt in, the Bucs could have a shot at one of them as well.

Jones is experienced but has flawed mechanics and has only played out of the shotgun. He’s still kind of raw for being a four-year starter. Manuel is a better physical specimen and is fundamentally better than Jones, but makes questionable decisions. Klein is actually pretty good. He’s a good athlete with a decent arm and no flaws that can’t be coached away. I’ve already covered Bray, who has the best arm of the bunch but makes some boneheaded decisions and is kind of a douche. Murray may be the best overall quarterback here and with the success of 5-11 Russell Wilson, everyone is going to get hot on Murray who is 6-0. But there’s a reason why most good quarterbacks are tall. Still, he has good SEC experience and has had success. [Update: turns out Murray is staying at Georgia for his senior year.] Price is a tough kid who sometimes overthrows his receivers by a good mile and should just stay the fuck in school. And if you’ve ever heard of Dysert, congratulations, you have bedsores.

We’ll see if the combine makes any of these quarterbacks stand out any more, but if a team takes any of these kids besides Murray in the second round, they’re reaching. The Bucs need too much elite talent at other positions to consider taking a quarterback before the third, and even that’s stretching it if you ask me. People are going to point to Wilson as an example of how, with the right scouting, you can get a good quarterback in the mid rounds and play him early and go to the playoffs. But for every Wilson, there are a couple Colt McCoys and Jimmy Clausens who will bend your team over and fuck it with a conch shell if you turn your team over to them. And hey, if the Bucs go ahead and take the flyer on one of these guys, fine. Mark Dominik has my vote of confidence, so if he thinks one of them is worth it, I’m behind him. But let’s not set this up as a competition for Freeman. Just get the best quarterback coach possible and mold Freeman into what we know he can be.

On a totally different note, did you know Ron Cooper is still employed?

The Douchier Simms Gets More Playing Time

April 09, 2010 at 10:52am by Scott   •  1 Comment »

Not exactly the same as the Manning dynasty, is it?
Big news for the Tennessee quarterback depth chart as fifth-year senior Nick Stephens quits the team when coach Derek Dooley told him he was going to have his reps decreased after a particularly poor performance in a scrimmage. This elevates newcomer junior Matt Simms to the starting spot, mostly because they don’t really have anyone else.

“This is a business,” Simms said. “This stuff is going to happen. It’s all about what makes you happy. If someone is unhappy, they have to make changes.”

I won’t belabor my general dislike for Simms here. You can read this entry for all the links to Simms’s Louisville suspension and his bad sportsmanship and all that other shit unbecoming of a Tennessee Volunteer. And he’s not even that good! Last I heard, he wasn’t even completing 60% at the community college he played at last year. He had 17/12 TD/INT ratio — at community college. Shouldn’t a highly-recruited big time quarterback prospect be able to do more against guys who, you know, pay their tuition with a credit card? Before that he did virtually nothing at Louisville. And now he’s going to be the starter if he can beat out freshman Tyler Bray, who shows a lot of raw tools but come on, he was picking between Tennessee and San Diego State. And now I’m going to have to root for Simms on Saturdays. I’m going to have to defend him on this site and SEC message boards and make excuses for him when he fucks up and… ugh, this is going to be a hell of a season.

Well, I didn’t like Jonathan Crompton either and he turned in a pretty good season for the Vols last year and I even stopped holding my breath when he cocked back for a pass, so anything is possible I suppose. Maybe Dooley and the offensive coaches can elevate his play to something resembling an SEC quarterback and with enough help from a solid offensive line and a decent running game, maybe Simms can be okay. There, the delusion has already begun.